![]() One might very well be surprised to see your academic discussion of policing in America put into the category. And it says something about the fact that every work that in any way challenges the racial status quo or calls out racism is then lumped into the category of critical race theory. It’s also rather interesting to classify The End of Policing as critical race theory. ![]() It’s very bizarre, actually, because they’ve got it entirely backwards, perhaps because they haven’t read any critical race theory or bothered to try to understand it. And so to complain about those projects of racial discrimination is not to then necessarily embrace the idea that these are real biological categories. And I took the opportunity in an article in The Nation to point out that, no, racism is a social fact, and it’s a political project of labeling people along race lines for the purposes of political and economic exploitation, essentially. There’s this idea that anyone who complains about racism is a race essentialist, someone who’s just reinforcing the idea of biologically-based race difference. But, more importantly, it gave me a chance to push back against the horrible way that race is framed and has become dominant within the Republican Party. There’s this wonderful photo of him waving the book in the air. He tried to use it as a bludgeon against the Supreme Court nominee at the time. Senator Ted Cruz held up The End of Policing as one of his examples of the pernicious critical race theory that is infecting our schools. Yes, one of those wonderful things, the anti-endorsement. This interview has been edited for grammar and clarity. Robinson on the podcast to discuss how the recent shooting in Uvalde (and the disastrous police response) and the successful recall of San Francisco’s “progressive prosecutor,” Chesa Boudin, should inform our thinking about police and punishment. (The book was published in 2017 but recently got an unexpected boost from U.S. police and argues that nearly everything useful done by police can be done better by other institutions. His book The End of Policing is a comprehensive critique of U.S. Vitale is a professor of sociology at Brooklyn College and the CUNY Graduate Center, where he coordinates the Policing and Social Justice Project.
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